Methane?

[sickntired]

thanks for posting Gandolph, a lot of interesting info in your post. I can't believe the city has let it go on this long. Good luck to all the residents involved and affected by this 

[gandalf]

To all concerned parties. The facts are still coming in but what is known so far is      1. an ongoing problem of byproducts from the former ( solid waste landfill / waste disposal dump )  is leaching possible cancer causing  chemicals  off site onto private property ..     2. The E.P.A. says they can prove the problem is the cities fault.     3.The State Health Dept. can only say it's not unsafe levels at this time ( a snapshot look ) but they can not say it is safe either.   4.The problem is the city had knowledge 11 years ago and told no one.             5. The U.S. E.P.A. says they may be able to fix the problem but as of yet ( 1 year later still waiting ) nothing.     6. The lower numbers in the latest readings were to be expected since in summer /dry weather it vents easier to the atmosphere, hopefully the playfield air is safe for children!     7. Who cares what St. B. Andy says        8. The city told all involved that they would make the people whole. Then they closed ranks, sent in the outside lawyers and haven't even been seen in the Bank St. area. Good Luck , and Patience is a virtue needed when dealing with  the  (  City/E.P.A./ Lawyers...)

[Bank Ave. Resident]

your comment was       "^thats the city page about the landfill. Based on the information presented there, it sounds like the Bank Ave. Residents are being hysterical."

doesn't  refer to state of hysteria...infers we are being hysterical....exactly like you said.  Stop back peddling on what you said...at least man up and admit what you really meant.  Go educate yourself.  Google St. Bernard Landfill or visit the EPA website.....most of it is there.  The testing results for inside our houses are not made public.  As far as everyone's health issues why in the hell would that be on the news?    Did it really happen?  What kind of sick f--- would make that stuff up!  You really are unbelievably insensitive! How could you go there?   UNBELEIVABLE!   

When you ask a meaningful question that justifies a response pertaining to the situation I will provide an answer the best I can. 

[StAndyBernard]

sickntired- you are correct...I was simply trying to make the point that if it is so safe, then ................

Andy-  you keep forgetting you are the one that casted stones w/ur "hysterical"comment.....you call that professional?   You were offended?  How do you think it felt to see your "hysterical" statement (which again was on there first)?  I would love for you to make your comment to the face of the individuals in  the 4 houses back here that have watched their children go thru having organs removed and living with cancer themselves!  ......or better yet to the lady who had to deliver her deceased daughter at the age of 20 weeks in utero.

Your blanketed statement was made in attack on the bank ave. residents....so really who has the "qualms"?  You mention spending time with your family is better spent.....DON'T YOU THINK WE FEEL THE SAME?  OUR LIVES ARE CONSUMED WITH THIS! 

For a guy who uses such big words all the time you would think you were intelligent  enough to recognize the importance of evaluating  other resources out there beyond the city of St. Bernard's website....and there is A LOT out there.  Therefore, given your avenue of research (because you whole heartedly believe your beloved leaders in this city will keep you informed) you will never be enlightened on the entire situation.  Hence, I wish you best of luck on your journey in forming your limited and biased opinion and I would ask on behalf of all the residents dealing with this issue that you never comment on our character to the public again.  I am done wasting my time commenting on your ignorance and disregard for your fellow citizens in this town.....I pray for you in that you will never have your turn.

The first time I said "hysterical" I used it to refer to the state of hysteria, not as word to bare negative connotations. As well, it was based on what I knew at the time.

You keep referring to getting the complete facts, but you've yet to help my find any of them. As I said previously, I'm more than willing to read/listen to your side of the story--but it needs to be made available so that I can actually look through these opinions and documents you keep referring to. I use the city's website as my primary source of information because that is all I have available to me currently; you can certainly help change that if you'd like to stop attacking my intelligence and start providing information. Give me links, send me a PM, do something.

I would love for you to make your comment to the face of the individuals in  the 4 houses back here that have watched their children go thru having organs removed and living with cancer themselves!  ......or better yet to the lady who had to deliver her deceased daughter at the age of 20 weeks in utero.

Has any of that actually happened? Why wasn't it in the news? Why am I not aware of it? As a life-long resident, you would think I would have heard more about the Bank Ave. situation and these medical problems than just what you've been posting here.

So please, enlighten me.

[Bank Ave. Resident]

sickntired- you are correct...I was simply trying to make the point that if it is so safe, then ................

Andy-  you keep forgetting you are the one that casted stones w/ur "hysterical"comment.....you call that professional?   You were offended?  How do you think it felt to see your "hysterical" statement (which again was on there first)?  I would love for you to make your comment to the face of the individuals in  the 4 houses back here that have watched their children go thru having organs removed and living with cancer themselves!  ......or better yet to the lady who had to deliver her deceased daughter at the age of 20 weeks in utero.

Your blanketed statement was made in attack on the bank ave. residents....so really who has the "qualms"?  You mention spending time with your family is better spent.....DON'T YOU THINK WE FEEL THE SAME?  OUR LIVES ARE CONSUMED WITH THIS! 

For a guy who uses such big words all the time you would think you were intelligent  enough to recognize the importance of evaluating  other resources out there beyond the city of St. Bernard's website....and there is A LOT out there.  Therefore, given your avenue of research (because you whole heartedly believe your beloved leaders in this city will keep you informed) you will never be enlightened on the entire situation.  Hence, I wish you best of luck on your journey in forming your limited and biased opinion and I would ask on behalf of all the residents dealing with this issue that you never comment on our character to the public again.  I am done wasting my time commenting on your ignorance and disregard for your fellow citizens in this town.....I pray for you in that you will never have your turn.

[sickntired]

Andy,
 I don't think  Bank Avenue Resident was trying to slam the mayor or his son. It sounds to me like they expected a little more sympathy from someone who has been there. Can you really blame them for saying so?

 From what I understand other than the first and only meeting last year, the mayor has never met with the residents down there and has not offered any support or concern for them. The city has not had any contact with them.  Am I right in saying that, Bank Avenue Resident?

I heard that from a Bank resident at the pool this summer. In the end, non of our opinions matter in this area anyway. If it's not something you would say to the person's face, you shouldn't say it on here.

[StAndyBernard]

Bank Avenue Resident,

I have not formed an opinion, and do not take the charges of casting stones laid out by your peers lightly. However, I was very offended by your previous remarks about the mayor. Regardless of your situation, your remarks sickened me for their lack of decorum and their deviation from the problem at hand.

As it stands, I travel quite frequently and do not have much time to spend venturing around St. Bernard (time better spent with my family, I think). If you'd like to explain in greater detail via Personal Message, I would greatly appreciate that.

With regard to my previous point of hysteria, I won't back down from that point until the needless attacks on the character of fellow residents and elected officials stops. We are all quite capable of being professional, I believe.

Finally, I understand that you must deal with this every day. I have read quite a bit of the information available about the problems that Bank Ave. residents are having and am still unsure what to think. As of now, without any information from you, I'm basing all my opinions on the Final Findings and Orders Document which now seems to be present on the Status-update page of our city's website (http://www.cityofstbernard.org/PDF%2520Files/Ohio%2520EPA/EPA%2520website%2520post.pdf).

Hopefully with the air cleared (I hope) we can get back to discussing the problem and not our qualms with each other.

Sincerely,

-AStB

[TheOracle]

The EPA could never be worng. They told everyone the air at ground zero was safe to breath following 9/11. I guess all those workers that got sick were hysterical too.

[Bank Ave. Resident]

Andy-

Your statements and assumptions are incorrect both about the situation and what I am trying to say.  You are entitled to your own opinion, but please stop the name calling and stone throwing...it is really out of line given you know absolutley nothing about the situation....which is why I have put out there several times to ask if you want to know, yet you never have.  I as well as anyone back here would be happy to give you the tour and share with you all the facts.  I think it is important to remember that we all moved here because we loved St. Bernard and thought it would be a great place to raise our kids.....we live in the same town as you and have for quite some time so we are not the outsider or enemy like you make us out to be.    This situation is very unfortunate and extremely scary.  We deal with this every single day and we do not deserve to be judged and called things like hysterical.  You have never asked any questions, just read blanketed information and put it out there to get others to join you in your attempt to ridicule us.  Discuss further?....sounds like you already have your opinion formed.

[unhappy]

StAndyBernard, do you realize how ridiculous you sound.  All he is saying is put yourself in his position.  He's stuck and isn't getting any answers!  Nobody can tell them how this is going to affect their health in the future.  Just because the EPA says this or that doesn't mean the EPA is correct.. They have been wrong before and could be wrong in this situation.  I personally wouldn't want my family living in that area.

[sickntired]

 

I agree with you Bank Avenue Resident. Nobody should be throwing stones. I am not in your situation, and pray never to be. I am sorry for the predicament you and your family have been put in. I guess the courts will have the last word.  I hope everyone else keeps their negative comments to themselves, because we are all ignorant to the situation, and I am not even going to pretend to know the truth of it.

[StAndyBernard]

This is shocking to me considering the mayor's son himself has had cancer.......
maybe since he thinks it so safe for us he would go ahead and trade us houses?? 
Think he would bring his son here?  At this point the only option is to foreclose...
I wonder why banks won't loan on the homes and realtors have ran when we call them.....
one even pulled their sign when they got word of the environmental situation.

If you're expecting human deceny, I would expect you to act similarly. Instead, you're still being hysterical--making attacks against the mayor's character to try and forward your arguments. Last time I checked, the mayor bringing his son down to Bank Ave. doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Trading houses also does little to actually forward your argument as well, you're simply suggesting it as to allude to the mayor refusing and therefore having "inside knowledge" about the risks of the site.

As far as I know, people buying houses on Bank were aware of the methane monitoring and therefore exactly the type of situation they could be moving into.

The banks loaning and realtors position hold little ground given the external factors of our national economy and the housing market as a whole. Of course a property with any type of methane monitoring would be unattractive in a down market. And with banks being tighter about their loans, they wouldn't want to take a risk on Bank's properties regardless of physical risks. The housing market and loans are as reactionary as the good-news-bad-news swings of the stock market.

Now, when you're done making appeals to my emotions and/or attacking the mayor's character, I'd love to discuss this further.

[Bank Ave. Resident]

My issue is that the paper you are referring to is only one piece and only has some of the EPA findings........and none of them the most recent.  So when asking folks to form an opionion there is a lot more that should be included.  However, to your point if you do read the entire thing you will be able to read about the known human carcinogens we are being exposed to and the related cancers they are known and documented to cause.  Lastly,  the city didn't finish their sentence they pulled from the health consultation.......they forgot the part that there is a finding for future health concerns for the residents of Bank Ave. 
All I ask is that you read more of their one liner before you form your opinion and call us hysterical or say things like we want to win the lottery ( I know neither was u) ...............  WE JUST WANT OUT OF THIS HELL!  Can you imagine how it feels to wonder everyday if by making the decision to stay in this house what happens if our kids get leukemia, brain, liver, or kidney cancer in five years?  Do one of us or our kids have to get sick before the city takes responsibility for this mess?  This is shocking to me considering the mayor's son himself has had cancer.......maybe since he thinks it so safe for us he would go ahead and trade us houses??  Think he would bring his son here?  At this point the only option is to foreclose...the city posted that no properties have been damaged?  Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder why banks won't loan on the homes and realtors have ran when we call them.....one even pulled their sign when they got word of the environmental situation.  I could do on for days, but there is that horse again.  If you have a true interest let me know how to contact you....any of you and I will fill you in on the whole situation, not just pieces.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we don't expect everyone understand, but we do expect to  a little human decency and compassion to at least leave it alone and be thankful you are not in our shoes. 

[dalmation]

I stand corrected.  The paper on the webpage isn't from the Ohio EPA, its from the Ohio Department of Health.   It used the sample findings from the Ohio EPA to make its conclusions.

I didn't post an opinion either way. I just pointed out where you can find the paper and make your own opinion.  So what is the issue with that?

[Bank Ave. Resident]

Thank you unhappy.  Our families are dealing with a lot especially what the future holds for our health and the health of our children given what we are all being exposed to for several years (not knowing it).  It doesn't help to have to constantly battle insensitive ignorant people who only take the time to skim over things instead of finding out the  entire situation.  I truly appreciate your consideration in being one to recognize that.  I welcome questions.... I am happy to answer.  If you really want to know please ask, otherwise please don't make negative comments about the people living this nightmare.........or maybe you could trade us houses???  I am done beating this dead horse....